Which teams escaped relegation despite big point deductions? | Soccer

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“As a Derby fan it has been a bit of a miserable time”, begins Mark Ward. “With the announcement of our 12 point deduction to enter administration, I wondered if a team had withstood a similar penalty without being relegated? If so, with the threat of another nine-point deduction hanging over Pride Park, what’s the biggest penalty for a club that avoided relegation? “

Let’s start with a story about a bouncy old lady. “I suspect that Serie B in 2006-07 is not quite the answer your reader is looking for, but it is always interesting to remember Juventus’ brief stay in the Italian second tier,” writes Alan Gomes. “Juve were relegated following the match-fixing scandal at Calciopoli and deducted 30 points. This was then reduced to nine points. Juventus didn’t just avoid relegation: they won the league, finishing six points ahead of second-placed Napoli.

“Even if the original 30-point deduction had stood, Juventus would have finished eighth – just four points out of promotion and a comfortable distance from the relegation zone. This Juventus team included Gianluigi Buffon, Alessandro Del Piero, Pavel Nedved and David Trezeguet.

Derby are currently 23 points behind leaders, Bournemouth and no World Cup winners, but luckily there are precedents closer to home. “The best post-deduction performance in the EFL has to be Leeds in League One in 2007-08,” writes Matt Robb. “Despite losing 15 points at the start of the season, they reached the play-offs with 76 points. The field total was 91, which would have been enough for a promotion.

“Also in League One, Southampton narrowly missed out on a play-off place after dropping 10 points in 2009-10. A year earlier, Rotherham and Bournemouth remained in Ligue 2 despite deductions of 17 points. One of them was pretty much guaranteed to survive, with Luton dropping 30 points. Chester was the other relegated team despite a 17-point lead. Grimsby also finished below Bournemouth, while Rotherham finished the season at a respectable 14th.

“Finally, in 2018-19 Birmingham remained in the league despite losing nine points for lapses in profitability and sustainability. The bad news for Derby is that all of this has been achieved by clubs that weren’t more administered at the start of the season. The record of clubs entering administration during a season is less encouraging. “

It helps if you start off on the right foot. “In 2009-10, Crystal Palace took office while competing in the championship and was stripped of 10 points in January,” wrote Martin Jones. “Despite this, and having to sell key players such as future European champion José Fonte and future Premier League winner Victor Moses, the fact that Palace was relatively well placed in the league at the time of the deduction means we finally survived after one last … draw in Sheffield on Wednesday which fell as a result. “Palace finished 21st, two points ahead of Sheffield on Wednesday. Without the deduction they would have been 13th.

Let’s end where we started, in Italy. The 2007 promotion of Juventus is not the only one to overcome a handicap. “Point deductions are a typical match-fixing punishment and let’s say Italian football has had its fair share,” said Alexandre Chesneau. “In that same 2006-07 season, only this time in Serie A, Fiorentina and Reggina scored 15 and 11 points respectively. Both teams survived and Fiorentina even qualified for the Uefa Cup finishing sixth. Without the point deduction, they would have come third.

“The other example is Lazio in Serie B in 1986-87, which remained standing after a relegation play-off despite a nine-point deduction,” said Alexandre. “This was back when a win was worth two points, so it was effectively a 13 point deduction (four wins and a draw) in today’s motto.”

Can Any Club’s Anthem Beat Bubbles For Longevity?

“West Ham fans have been singing ‘Bubbles’ since the 1920s. Does any other English club have such an old anthem? Chris Grant asks.

We have you then, Norwich fans. “I immediately thought of my dear Norwich’s ‘On The Ball, City’, which has been sung since the club’s formation in 1902,” writes Will Hedges-Tucker (and five other Canary Islands supporters). “In fact, the song is older than the club itself, having been used by early Norwich-based teams since the 1890s.”

Declan Rice walks in the bubbles of West Ham. Photograph: Arfa Griffiths / West Ham United / Shutterstock

And they were all yellow

“There are a lot of yellow kits in the Premier League this season”, begins Léon Wilde. “Besides the attractive Manchester United yellow shorts seen earlier this season at Southampton, the following nine teams all (mostly) have yellow jerseys as part of their kit lineup for 2021-2022.

“Arsenal (away), Brentford (away), Brighton (third), Chelsea (away), Crystal Palace (away), Liverpool (third), Norwich (home), Southampton (away), Watford (home). Is this a record for the English elite and has this question Cream mustard?”

Some of the Yellow Kit Brigade: Brentford's Ivan Toney, Arsenal's Ben White, Watford's Danny Rose, Crystal Palace's James McArthur and Liverpool's Mo Salah.
Some of the Yellow Kit Brigade: Brentford’s Ivan Toney, Arsenal’s Ben White, Watford’s Danny Rose, Crystal Palace’s James McArthur and Liverpool’s Mo Salah. Photography: Getty Images, Shutterstock

We haven’t been able to find a season with a higher number of yellow field play kits on display. The Premier League had seven in 2013-14 (eight if you allow Swansea’s yellow and blue kit away), but there has been a proliferation of yellow goalkeeper tops in the 2019-20 season to match. to the nine offsets this quarter, perhaps because they looked like a The six-footer canary has been proven to put off attackers.

Knowledge Archives

“There is a long and embarrassing history of footballers releasing novelty singles (and more), but do any show a deeper commitment to music? ” James Hampson asked in October 2013. “Has there ever been a footballer with a musical qualification, for example? “

David Rae has an answer, sort of. “I’m sure I won’t be the only person to answer this one with the name of James Allan. I’m not sure what the musical qualification is, but James is currently the leader of a hugely successful popular beat-combo called Glasvegas, but in a previous life he was a professional footballer, playing for Scottish game titans like Cowdenbeath, East Fife, Queens Park, Stirling Albion, Gretna (RIP) and Dumbarton.

“He was recently on the irreverent BBC Radio Scotland football show Off The Ball and said he was probably the only person to score a goal at Hampden Park when playing for Queens Park in a professional league and at having performed on stage in Hampden when Glasvegas took over U2.

Can you help?

“After eight matchdays of the La Liga season, Villarreal, the only undefeated team to remain, is in 11th place. They played one game less than most teams, but even so, can any other team claim a more disappointing undefeated start to the season? asks Eugène François.

“Recently the manager of the Netherlands national team and former Champions League winner Louis van Gaal went to lead Telstar, a second division team in the Netherlands, for a game to raise funds for charitable purposes. Has any other manager ever managed a team for a single game, except for the assistant managers who have temporarily taken over the post? Or better yet: has another manager ever had such a bizarre dual function? asks Fausto van Bronkhorst.

“I had a question that came to me after seeing the summons of Saint-Etienne goalkeeper Etienne Green with the England U21 team this week. Have there ever been other cases of a footballer whose name so perfectly integrates the name and color of his club, ”asks Robert Newman.

Etienne Green from Saint-Étienne.
Etienne Green from Saint-Étienne. Photography: DPPI / Laurent Sanson / LiveMedia / REX / Shutterstock

“Dejan Stankovic represented Yugoslavia at the 1998 World Cup, Serbia and Montenegro at the 2006 World Cup and single Serbia in 2010, which technically means he represented three different countries at the World Cup. . If we were to integrate the junior level tournaments, could a player beat that? Stephen Toal asks.

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